bkarnik
09-17 02:13 PM
here how it will be considered:
first human--> followed by illegal immigrants-->next horses-->last and least aliens
you mean LEGAL aliens...:)
first human--> followed by illegal immigrants-->next horses-->last and least aliens
you mean LEGAL aliens...:)
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dpp
06-13 10:31 AM
Nice post, containing real facts.
You are purely thinking about your perspective and neglecting the purpose of GC for the country.
To qualify in EB1/Eb2/EB3 depends on some factors:
EB1: Extra ordinary candidate, may or may not be represented by employer
EB2: Senior Level: Job duties have to justify need for advance degree candidate (or BS + 5yrs exp) and then candidate must qualify too
EB3: 16 years of education (ideally) with degree in related field (lets talk IT for now)
Now current status and its cause:
EB1: - No jumping, no gaming system : Hence NO DELAYS
EB2: - Good chunk with genuine apps, some gaming system where applicant qualify but not the job, some gaming system and taking very high risk by showing BS +5 yrs (they actually don't have +5 factor), other jumping the category (legally :D) but taking very high risk for RFE
Result: Got retrogressed
EB3: Good chunk with genuine apps, some unfortunate ppl who do qualify but job doesn't support experience or higher pay, lot of gaming system with BS (3yr) in non Computer/IT and showing 1yr certifications etc, and everybody who does not qualify for EB1/EB2, lot of nurses (I heard someone said nurses in back)
Result: Severely retrogressed with no hopes in horizon
Now lets look at market demand ( we know supply of apps is pretty darn good)
EB 1: Very very high : general pay range starts from $250k+ and goes up to $400k for fresher (PHDs) and in upper $150k for Int'l Managers
EB 2:: High, general pay starts high $80k and goes somewhere $140k+,
EB 3:: good, starts from upper $40k and goes somewhere $65-70k, (lots of job and lots of applicant)
Now lets take a look at Supply of Apps (Assumption 1M apps already in system):
EB1: say 50K (5%) - (fast processing - Express lane)
EB2: may be 200K (20%) - (sounds good on paper but in realty slow but moving)
EB3: everything else (75%) (OMG :eek: stampede : frustration with no visible progress)
Now lets checkout preference:
Preference from perspective of country, what benefits country the most:
EB1: ohh : lets get them in ASAP
EB2: yes yes we welcome you please come in (after some long wait)
EB3: OMG its flood of ppl, use extra strong flood gate and keep them out as long as possible, and let them in with very low rate
Now This:
Like everything in the world, the fewer the qty the hotter the product,
the abundance kills the market, applies perfectly with EB2, in 2000-2001 it used to take 12-24 months and you have GC in hand, and now .. may be by my kids turns 16yrs, and EB3: 2000-2001 use to take about 3 yrs and but right then we started getting flood, and thanks to 200K H1bs in 2001-2.
End of the day EB1/EB2/EB3 all are immigrant and are victim of broken system (I�m sure EB1 disagree here with me because they enjoy express lanes), it need fix but is it high priority for law makers or we just think it is?
how desperate we are to provide help? or we are just good at reading/writing here and using IV and other forums for venting out? ask yourself
The list goes on and my analysis goes on, but these are just my thoughts thinking out loud,
and trying to think for a solution.... Next thought -> Solution, I will post in coming days
You are purely thinking about your perspective and neglecting the purpose of GC for the country.
To qualify in EB1/Eb2/EB3 depends on some factors:
EB1: Extra ordinary candidate, may or may not be represented by employer
EB2: Senior Level: Job duties have to justify need for advance degree candidate (or BS + 5yrs exp) and then candidate must qualify too
EB3: 16 years of education (ideally) with degree in related field (lets talk IT for now)
Now current status and its cause:
EB1: - No jumping, no gaming system : Hence NO DELAYS
EB2: - Good chunk with genuine apps, some gaming system where applicant qualify but not the job, some gaming system and taking very high risk by showing BS +5 yrs (they actually don't have +5 factor), other jumping the category (legally :D) but taking very high risk for RFE
Result: Got retrogressed
EB3: Good chunk with genuine apps, some unfortunate ppl who do qualify but job doesn't support experience or higher pay, lot of gaming system with BS (3yr) in non Computer/IT and showing 1yr certifications etc, and everybody who does not qualify for EB1/EB2, lot of nurses (I heard someone said nurses in back)
Result: Severely retrogressed with no hopes in horizon
Now lets look at market demand ( we know supply of apps is pretty darn good)
EB 1: Very very high : general pay range starts from $250k+ and goes up to $400k for fresher (PHDs) and in upper $150k for Int'l Managers
EB 2:: High, general pay starts high $80k and goes somewhere $140k+,
EB 3:: good, starts from upper $40k and goes somewhere $65-70k, (lots of job and lots of applicant)
Now lets take a look at Supply of Apps (Assumption 1M apps already in system):
EB1: say 50K (5%) - (fast processing - Express lane)
EB2: may be 200K (20%) - (sounds good on paper but in realty slow but moving)
EB3: everything else (75%) (OMG :eek: stampede : frustration with no visible progress)
Now lets checkout preference:
Preference from perspective of country, what benefits country the most:
EB1: ohh : lets get them in ASAP
EB2: yes yes we welcome you please come in (after some long wait)
EB3: OMG its flood of ppl, use extra strong flood gate and keep them out as long as possible, and let them in with very low rate
Now This:
Like everything in the world, the fewer the qty the hotter the product,
the abundance kills the market, applies perfectly with EB2, in 2000-2001 it used to take 12-24 months and you have GC in hand, and now .. may be by my kids turns 16yrs, and EB3: 2000-2001 use to take about 3 yrs and but right then we started getting flood, and thanks to 200K H1bs in 2001-2.
End of the day EB1/EB2/EB3 all are immigrant and are victim of broken system (I�m sure EB1 disagree here with me because they enjoy express lanes), it need fix but is it high priority for law makers or we just think it is?
how desperate we are to provide help? or we are just good at reading/writing here and using IV and other forums for venting out? ask yourself
The list goes on and my analysis goes on, but these are just my thoughts thinking out loud,
and trying to think for a solution.... Next thought -> Solution, I will post in coming days
485_spouse
04-07 02:15 PM
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deardar
12-11 10:37 AM
Dont loose heart, usually in December things seem slow. Even I had delay experience few years ago
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whiteStallion
06-12 05:40 PM
Very true. Also members should stay away from promoting one presidential candidate versus other. How does it help our cause? This has nothing to do with free speech. There are so many other websites for such discussions.
Though I agree wholeheartedly that this is not a platform for supporting any of the candidates in the Nov election, but given that more than 90% of the people who frequent this forum are not even citizens of the country and cannot vote... Even if I get hugely motivated towards any of the 2 candidates, by reading the motivational messages from other fellow posters, what can I really do ?
I cannot vote...so how does it matter ?
Though I agree wholeheartedly that this is not a platform for supporting any of the candidates in the Nov election, but given that more than 90% of the people who frequent this forum are not even citizens of the country and cannot vote... Even if I get hugely motivated towards any of the 2 candidates, by reading the motivational messages from other fellow posters, what can I really do ?
I cannot vote...so how does it matter ?
madhu345
05-24 09:25 PM
Guys,
Can we lobby to add an ammendum to pay huge penalities($50K) when all the current GC holders apply for Citizenships.
-Mad
Can we lobby to add an ammendum to pay huge penalities($50K) when all the current GC holders apply for Citizenships.
-Mad
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Bytes4Lunch
08-20 01:03 PM
very good information. Thanks add78.
Small query. If I am in my sixth year of H1B today, and if I file for H1 extension,
1. with same employer, I actually got 3 years extension. (being 140 approved)
2. with diff. employer, would I get 3 years or just six months, or not at all?
With different employer, you can get 3 years as well, if the new employer has filed for a new PERM and you have received an approved I-140.
Small query. If I am in my sixth year of H1B today, and if I file for H1 extension,
1. with same employer, I actually got 3 years extension. (being 140 approved)
2. with diff. employer, would I get 3 years or just six months, or not at all?
With different employer, you can get 3 years as well, if the new employer has filed for a new PERM and you have received an approved I-140.
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jnraajan
03-14 10:42 AM
Do you belong to a state chapter?
if you don't can you please join a state chapter?
I sent a request to Kansas City Chapter to join. No response yet.
If a state chapter does not exist in your area can you form one?
I am trying to start a chapter here. I have already enlisted the help of few friends.
Can you recruit new members to be part of state chapters?
I have been doing that for quite some time. I dont know the success rate yet. My wife is part of a group which organizes Potlucks every other week. I take that opportunity to educate people about IV and the need to join it.
Can you motivate newbies to be active?
I can try.
Can you meet your Local Lawmakers and talk about your issues?
I have already met with NE Senator on a couple of occasions including for the admin fixes campaign.
Can you make a contribution to IV?
I have
Can you motivate other IV'ans to contribute?
I will
Please put ome thoughts on the above and come up with Ideas?. If you need help please PM any of us and we will be happy to help you.
Regarding conributions, I know it is probably going to meet with some resistance from other members, but we can organize a membership drive week. Any current member signing up most members during that week can be rewarded in some way. The reward need not me monetary, because people are not here for money. So, the reward can be some sort of memento.
As far as contributions are concerned, there are many ways to raise money in this country like Raffles, Fund raising by selling some products. (See how Boys and Girls Scouts sells cookies.) and so on.
None of these is impossible. Remember, there is no such thing called IMPOSSIBLE, because the word itself says, I'MPOSSIBLE.
Thanks
if you don't can you please join a state chapter?
I sent a request to Kansas City Chapter to join. No response yet.
If a state chapter does not exist in your area can you form one?
I am trying to start a chapter here. I have already enlisted the help of few friends.
Can you recruit new members to be part of state chapters?
I have been doing that for quite some time. I dont know the success rate yet. My wife is part of a group which organizes Potlucks every other week. I take that opportunity to educate people about IV and the need to join it.
Can you motivate newbies to be active?
I can try.
Can you meet your Local Lawmakers and talk about your issues?
I have already met with NE Senator on a couple of occasions including for the admin fixes campaign.
Can you make a contribution to IV?
I have
Can you motivate other IV'ans to contribute?
I will
Please put ome thoughts on the above and come up with Ideas?. If you need help please PM any of us and we will be happy to help you.
Regarding conributions, I know it is probably going to meet with some resistance from other members, but we can organize a membership drive week. Any current member signing up most members during that week can be rewarded in some way. The reward need not me monetary, because people are not here for money. So, the reward can be some sort of memento.
As far as contributions are concerned, there are many ways to raise money in this country like Raffles, Fund raising by selling some products. (See how Boys and Girls Scouts sells cookies.) and so on.
None of these is impossible. Remember, there is no such thing called IMPOSSIBLE, because the word itself says, I'MPOSSIBLE.
Thanks
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andycool
04-18 04:47 PM
Dear Friends,
Got Green cards and Welcome notices for me and my wife .
Surprisingly no uscis e-mail and online status is still "initial review"
Our journey in short :
How long in US : 10+ years
First Labor in 2002 . Changed job in three years before approval of labor
Second Labor in 2004 . Approved in 2007
Filed I140 and 485 - in July 2007
Since then I was enjoying EAD / AP with no complain .
I donate to IV now and then , but for some reason only once (for few days) got access to IV-Donor Forum . But always had a faith that IV is doing good work .
From non-donor IV forums and other forums I noticed that USCIS are transferring leftover Visas to other EB categories . I waited to see some thing coming to EB3 but ......nothing came .
My Lawyer told me that I can port to EB2 and it is a normal a process.
1. New Perm
Filed in Feb and approved in 10 days ( Prep work takes 3 to 4 months before filing )
2. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed in March - Premium Processing
b. My Lawyer sent interfiling letter along with I140 filing
c. Approved in 7 days (A# and Priority Date retained)
d. Same week got Green Cards and Welcome Notices:) - Super-fast Approval
e. No email and no updates on USCIS website
Not sure about the USCIS and Lawyer fees . My company paid for every thing.
Hope every one get the desired freedom asap and don't have to wait like me for 10+ years
Wish you all the best ......to everyone who is waiting for GC.
Thanks,
Jimytomy
Congrats ..:)
Got Green cards and Welcome notices for me and my wife .
Surprisingly no uscis e-mail and online status is still "initial review"
Our journey in short :
How long in US : 10+ years
First Labor in 2002 . Changed job in three years before approval of labor
Second Labor in 2004 . Approved in 2007
Filed I140 and 485 - in July 2007
Since then I was enjoying EAD / AP with no complain .
I donate to IV now and then , but for some reason only once (for few days) got access to IV-Donor Forum . But always had a faith that IV is doing good work .
From non-donor IV forums and other forums I noticed that USCIS are transferring leftover Visas to other EB categories . I waited to see some thing coming to EB3 but ......nothing came .
My Lawyer told me that I can port to EB2 and it is a normal a process.
1. New Perm
Filed in Feb and approved in 10 days ( Prep work takes 3 to 4 months before filing )
2. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed in March - Premium Processing
b. My Lawyer sent interfiling letter along with I140 filing
c. Approved in 7 days (A# and Priority Date retained)
d. Same week got Green Cards and Welcome Notices:) - Super-fast Approval
e. No email and no updates on USCIS website
Not sure about the USCIS and Lawyer fees . My company paid for every thing.
Hope every one get the desired freedom asap and don't have to wait like me for 10+ years
Wish you all the best ......to everyone who is waiting for GC.
Thanks,
Jimytomy
Congrats ..:)
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chanduv23
03-20 02:24 PM
Hey guys, thanks for the replies and the good advice, which helps a lot. It's true that prevailing wage for H1b and CG are different, so I don't think my employer is breaking the law...at least not yet. (Logiclife, what do you think? Wouldn't the attorney had told them that they are breaking the law?) It's just a hard reality check to realize that all the "we care about our employees" is just a smoke screen.
They do care about employees. They just can't handle immigration and visa issues. It is too complicated for a lot of employees. For a lot of employers, the term H1b visa or sponsership gives "jitters".
While a lot of employers look at things from their perspective, they do understand all issues that you face. It all depends on how important you are and if your absence would make a difference. If you are irreplacable, and employer thinks they must keep you at any cost, then they will do it, or you have to take care of yourself.
They do care about employees. They just can't handle immigration and visa issues. It is too complicated for a lot of employees. For a lot of employers, the term H1b visa or sponsership gives "jitters".
While a lot of employers look at things from their perspective, they do understand all issues that you face. It all depends on how important you are and if your absence would make a difference. If you are irreplacable, and employer thinks they must keep you at any cost, then they will do it, or you have to take care of yourself.
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satyasaich
11-01 08:04 PM
if flowers campaign was a grand success, why not try this?
There is nothing to lose
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c9411010
07-20 10:52 AM
guys - i want to start a new forum on 401K ..
want to discuss what happens to people who have 401k contribution and want to go back to india
do we have to withdraw the 401K when we leave or can we withdraw it at a later date..
can some one start a new thread since i cannot figure out how.. thank you
want to discuss what happens to people who have 401k contribution and want to go back to india
do we have to withdraw the 401K when we leave or can we withdraw it at a later date..
can some one start a new thread since i cannot figure out how.. thank you
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2ndJuly
09-17 02:09 PM
here how it will be considered:
first human--> followed by illegal immigrants-->next horses-->last and least aliens
first human--> followed by illegal immigrants-->next horses-->last and least aliens
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nixstor
10-02 11:24 PM
Guys,
Please refrain from fighting on EB3 and EB2 issue. We all know how difficult retrogression has been to every one here. As some one has already said, If interfiling was so easy and every one was fortunate enough to file another Labor/140, EB-2 would have been in 2002 or along with EB-3. AFAIK, Interfiling is some thing the law allows and as long as one does what the system allows and is not gaming the system, its perfectly fine. Don't rub salt on others wounds. Do what you can to improve the system. IMO, the backward movement was a knee jerk reaction to the false demand, shown by USCIS with a huge movement in PD. As you may know, this is purely demand and supply based DOS will move dates forward as soon as they realize that there is not much demand. DOS keeps track of all visa number requests and approvals based on PD's. The problem is DOS just does not know how many applications are pending per country per category to stop the back and forth movement of dates and make the date movement strictly forward. DOS clearly made this a requirement in OCT 08 bulletin and lets see what happens in the next few months. 2nd Q will be key as the over flow will start to trickle based on demand in EB-1+EB-4+EB-5
Please refrain from fighting on EB3 and EB2 issue. We all know how difficult retrogression has been to every one here. As some one has already said, If interfiling was so easy and every one was fortunate enough to file another Labor/140, EB-2 would have been in 2002 or along with EB-3. AFAIK, Interfiling is some thing the law allows and as long as one does what the system allows and is not gaming the system, its perfectly fine. Don't rub salt on others wounds. Do what you can to improve the system. IMO, the backward movement was a knee jerk reaction to the false demand, shown by USCIS with a huge movement in PD. As you may know, this is purely demand and supply based DOS will move dates forward as soon as they realize that there is not much demand. DOS keeps track of all visa number requests and approvals based on PD's. The problem is DOS just does not know how many applications are pending per country per category to stop the back and forth movement of dates and make the date movement strictly forward. DOS clearly made this a requirement in OCT 08 bulletin and lets see what happens in the next few months. 2nd Q will be key as the over flow will start to trickle based on demand in EB-1+EB-4+EB-5
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rangaswamy
07-11 02:04 AM
I have forwarded this within my company and also have made arrangements to send it to Cisco.
i hope we make this a silent no-slogan protest.
banners will convey our point.
i hope we make this a silent no-slogan protest.
banners will convey our point.
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willigetagc
08-19 01:40 PM
Finally I am a US citizen after being 10+ years in this country. This is one of my biggest fulfillments and it means everything to me. US is just not home anymore for me, it is my country.
I wish everyone the best and hope they get GC very soon.
Proud to be an and legal immigrant.
Good Luck!
YOU people are screwing us poor legal immigrants...don't YOUR people know even simple FIFO processing....are YOUR people so dumb that they don't understand how to read a calendar... YOU guys @#$!$$%
:D:D
(just kidding. could'nt resist getting at YOU folks... enjoy)
I wish everyone the best and hope they get GC very soon.
Proud to be an and legal immigrant.
Good Luck!
YOU people are screwing us poor legal immigrants...don't YOUR people know even simple FIFO processing....are YOUR people so dumb that they don't understand how to read a calendar... YOU guys @#$!$$%
:D:D
(just kidding. could'nt resist getting at YOU folks... enjoy)
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anzerraja
07-20 10:24 AM
We are waiting for the word from core team members on this important issue. No response yet.
Hi Everybody it is a great idea to reimburse aman. Absolutely we have to do it through IV. it is not good idea giving personal checks. what happens when Aman submits his federal taxes. he has to mention everything about the money trail. In America everything should be trailable especially money matters.
giving money through IV is safe for him and for everybody and there is an accountablity everywhere. As a core member he can collect his administrative costs.
So whatever the pledge amouts we are doing should be sent to IV then to Aman.
Any suggestions......
Hi Everybody it is a great idea to reimburse aman. Absolutely we have to do it through IV. it is not good idea giving personal checks. what happens when Aman submits his federal taxes. he has to mention everything about the money trail. In America everything should be trailable especially money matters.
giving money through IV is safe for him and for everybody and there is an accountablity everywhere. As a core member he can collect his administrative costs.
So whatever the pledge amouts we are doing should be sent to IV then to Aman.
Any suggestions......
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485Mbe4001
06-13 11:53 AM
I do beg to differ, nice post but low on facts, its more conjecture and assumptions.
PHDs - EB1 dont make the kind of cash you have shown (ask the post docs who are working there asses off), similarly EB 3's are not restricted to the range you are talking about.
Gaming the system is what screwed us, its not just EB3 its every where. The ones who gamed the system already have their GCs. The extent of gaming in EB1 and EB2 was more than EB3 (ask a lawyer, off the record and you will know). Bodyshopping companies send every one as project managers and they apply in EB2. as for experience, lets not get into that, it is very subjective and vague. I could go on and on...but my level of frusturation with USCIS is too high...hoping and praying is also not an option these days.
just call the CHC members
Nice post, containing real facts.
PHDs - EB1 dont make the kind of cash you have shown (ask the post docs who are working there asses off), similarly EB 3's are not restricted to the range you are talking about.
Gaming the system is what screwed us, its not just EB3 its every where. The ones who gamed the system already have their GCs. The extent of gaming in EB1 and EB2 was more than EB3 (ask a lawyer, off the record and you will know). Bodyshopping companies send every one as project managers and they apply in EB2. as for experience, lets not get into that, it is very subjective and vague. I could go on and on...but my level of frusturation with USCIS is too high...hoping and praying is also not an option these days.
just call the CHC members
Nice post, containing real facts.
baleraosreedhar
11-04 11:47 AM
Done
cinqsit
01-17 12:59 PM
count me in. I can provide monetary support - this is all wrong!
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